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For those who are familiar with the meyers brigg type indica

Postby Ubuntu on 2011-03-07T22:05:00

tor and believe it's credible, which personality types do you think are drawn towards consequentialism, utilitarianism, hedonism, preferentialism, deontology etc? Which argument would you give to each personality type for HU or PU (which argument do you think would be most likely to win specific types over).

I don't really believe that the MBTI is or isn't credible but if it is, I think I'm an INFJ.

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Postby RyanCarey on 2011-05-18T09:17:00

I guess we can agree that the Meyer's Briggs system does isolate some personality traits. The interesting question is whether these traits are useful in predicting behaviour or guiding decisions. I have no idea what the answer is there.

I'm INTJ.

I – Introversion preferred to extraversion: INTJs tend to be quiet and reserved. They generally prefer interacting with a few close friends rather than a wide circle of acquaintances, and they expend energy in social situations (whereas extraverts gain energy).[8]
N – Intuition preferred to sensing: INTJs tend to be more abstract than concrete. They focus their attention on the big picture rather than the details and on future possibilities rather than immediate realities.
T – Thinking preferred to feeling: INTJs tend to value objective criteria above personal preference. When making decisions they generally give more weight to logic than to social considerations.
J – Judgment preferred to perception: INTJs tend to plan their activities and make decisions early. They derive a sense of control through predictability, which to perceptive types may seem limiting.


I think most utilitarians are introverted. Furthermore, I'd guess that INTJs are highly overrepresented among utilitarians, and philosophers in general. I have no way to prove this.

I don't know if one can seriously give a philosophical worldview a Myers Briggs type, but if one can, I think utilitarianism is ISTJ or ESTJ. The point is that most people come to believe in utilitarianism by experiencing the goodness of happiness and the badness of suffering (sensing). We think about how to maximise wellbeing, and then judge an optimal course of action accordingly. I don't know if other people find it useful, interesting, or downright silly to classify our worldview in this way...
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Re: For those who are familiar with the meyers brigg type indica

Postby Jesper Östman on 2011-05-20T19:35:00

Well, I think the big five personality scale is a lot more credible than myers-briggs. The main reason is that nowadays it seems to be the scale of choice for empirical personality psychology. Furthermore, rather than postulating binary personality type aspects it uses continous dimensions. For example, rather than being either an introvert or an extrovert you get a number 0-100 on the introversion/extraversion dimension.

Big five has (as you can probably guess) five dimensions of personality: openness, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness and neuroticism.

Regarding the question, the only thing I can predict with relatively high confidence is that utilitarians generally have a high or very high degree of openness. I've actually been toying with the idea of conducting an experimental philosophy studie to see if there are any interesting connections between belief in utilitarianism and big five personality profile.

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Re: For those who are familiar with the meyers brigg type indica

Postby Ubuntu on 2011-05-21T17:41:00

I guess we can agree that the Meyer's Briggs system does isolate some personality traits. The interesting question is whether these traits are useful in predicting behaviour or guiding decisions. I have no idea what the answer is there.

I'm INTJ.

I – Introversion preferred to extraversion: INTJs tend to be quiet and reserved. They generally prefer interacting with a few close friends rather than a wide circle of acquaintances, and they expend energy in social situations (whereas extraverts gain energy).[8]
N – Intuition preferred to sensing: INTJs tend to be more abstract than concrete. They focus their attention on the big picture rather than the details and on future possibilities rather than immediate realities.
T – Thinking preferred to feeling: INTJs tend to value objective criteria above personal preference. When making decisions they generally give more weight to logic than to social considerations.
J – Judgment preferred to perception: INTJs tend to plan their activities and make decisions early. They derive a sense of control through predictability, which to perceptive types may seem limiting.



I think most utilitarians are introverted. Furthermore, I'd guess that INTJs are highly overrepresented among utilitarians, and philosophers in general. I have no way to prove this.

I don't know if one can seriously give a philosophical worldview a Myers Briggs type, but if one can, I think utilitarianism is ISTJ or ESTJ. The point is that most people come to believe in utilitarianism by experiencing the goodness of happiness and the badness of suffering (sensing). We think about how to maximise wellbeing, and then judge an optimal course of action accordingly. I don't know if other people find it useful, interesting, or downright silly to classify our worldview in this way...


INTJs are also drawn to libertarianism, from what I've read. Most people don't abide by a formally thought out moral philosophy, they will arbitrarily adopt consequentialist, deontologist, social contract etc. based stances on different issues depending on their emotional response. I think both introverts and intuitives are more likely to formally identify with any thought out ethical framework. Also, happiness/suffering, although undeniably felt, are abstractions, we can't really observe the emotions of others in a concrete/empirical way. Aside from the idea that the happiness/suffering of different minds can be aggregated, I'd assume that feelers would be more likely to identify as hedonistic consequentialists and thinkers as preference consequentialists/utilitarians, someone who believes that some things have objective value (ie. knowledge) or some kind of deontologist.

Most men are ESTJs, most women are ESFJs (women are even more likely than men are to be extroverts, sensors and judgers) and I think most people lean more towards deontology than consequentialism, I could be wrong.

Jasper,

According to the MBTI, saying that someone is an 'introvert' or a 'thinker' only describes their dominant function, no one is 100% introverted or 100% intuitive. If I'm not mistaken, in MBTI terms, big 5 openness is intuition and conscientiousness is judging. I don't know about neuroticism and agreeableness. I'd be interested in your study.

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Postby catquas on 2011-05-25T00:33:00

I'm an INTJ too! At least that is my best guess - I took a few tests and read something about the different types and INTJ seemed to be it. I am definitely skeptical about Meyers-Briggs too but it seems that there must be at least a little something to it.

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Postby Brent on 2011-06-16T04:23:00

I just found the paper where I made the calculation of what my profile is. Actually I am an INTP.

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Re: For those who are familiar with the meyers brigg type indica

Postby Snow Leopard on 2011-07-23T17:30:00

What I love about this is that their is no "normal"! Or rather, there are 16 different types of normal, and people of all 16 types can make significant contributions depending on whether there's an open field, maybe a little coaching, acceptance from the broader community, etc.

So, yes, the primary method is play to strength. And perhaps at the same time, a person can casually add other skills, and even if only medium good at "nondominant" skills, in many cases, medium good is plenty good enough. That combined with knowing one's strong suit but not always feeling the need to use it, can be a very powerful combination indeed.

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Re: For those who are familiar with the meyers brigg type indica

Postby Gee Joe on 2011-07-26T23:18:00

I am also INTJ. I take MBTI with a pinch of salt, for whatever's worth.
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Re: For those who are familiar with the meyers brigg type indica

Postby Gedusa on 2011-07-27T11:04:00

I take it with a ton of salt but I'm an INTP
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Re: For those who are familiar with the meyers brigg type indica

Postby Arepo on 2011-07-27T11:09:00

I take it so drowned in salt that no instrument yet developed can determine whether there's anything different underneath it all, or whether it's salt all the way down.

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Re: For those who are familiar with the meyers brigg type indica

Postby Gee Joe on 2011-07-27T15:32:00

Hahaha! You drown MBTI in salt, killing all bacteria that may grow on it, preserving it as what it's meant to be: as a piece of history belonging to the past.
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