Just curious. Large hikes in the foreign aid budget? Anti-speciesist laws?
(It's a bit silly, but it does raise the issue of whether utilitarian goals can be explicitly incorporated into electoral politics).
spindoctor wrote:Let's assume that, somehow, a utilitarian party comes to power in a western industrialised country. What do you think it would or should do in its first term?
1. Ban meat
Hedonic Treader wrote:Allow access to currently illegal recreational drugs for citizens who can prove they know the risks and take them freely without harming others
RyanCarey wrote:I'm not saying this idea is bad on balance, but it has at least this problem: what about addicts? They will certainly harm themselves, they will lose productivity, they will harm their friends and family and they will make decisions that they will later regret. Perhaps we should protect their future abstinent selves from their addicted present selves?
they will lose productivity, they will harm their friends and family
Regarding foreign aid, Gedusa, what about donating to female education or population control, rather than food?
Many of us have said increase foreign aid, and that's likely the right course. But if it were in your power, at what proportion of GDP would you set foreign aid, if you were the government of a single (small, rich) country? Would you raise taxes sky high and close all non-essential programs (arts funding, museums, etc) to channel most of it to subsaharan africa where it would do more good?
Hedonic Treader wrote:De-criminalize all non-coercive sexual relations unless third parties are harmed or consent cannot be established, e.g. legalize consensual incest but not sex with small children or non-human animals.
Gedusa wrote:1. Ban meat
Que riots.
Is there evidece that increased foreign aid is really the most rational option to alleviate poverty in the long run?
I'd try to increase investment, either by subsidizing it or by just investing government money, possibly to the extent that the interest on it replaces taxes.
RyanCarey wrote:Hedonic Treader wrote:Allow access to currently illegal recreational drugs for citizens who can prove they know the risks and take them freely without harming others
I'm not saying this idea is bad on balance, but it has at least this problem: what about addicts? They will certainly harm themselves, they will lose productivity, they will harm their friends and family and they will make decisions that they will later regret. Perhaps we should protect their future abstinent selves from their addicted present selves?
Regarding foreign aid, Gedusa, what about donating to female education or population control, rather than food?
Gedusa wrote:util research projects (what suffers etc.)
RyanCarey wrote:Science
1. Research which animals can suffer.
2. Research what causes animals happiness or pain.
3. Research the quality of life of wild animals in various environments (swamp, desert, forest, etc)
yboris wrote:Portugal has done a decent job of decriminalizing drugs - they funnel their money not into prosecution, but instead rehabilitation centers that can help the people that need it most.)
RyanCarey wrote:Thus the criminal system would be made more like the civil system, in which people sue one and other. What do you think of this proposal?
1) People may then perceive justice being done by paying money alone, which will socially translate as, "If I am ready to pay money, I can commit this crime legitimately. No further social repercussions for such crimes are needed." At least if the fines aren't high enough, this may increase readiness to commit certain crimes.
4) The state would get an additional incentive to overly criminalize relatively non-harmful behavior since instead of costing tax money, punishment could now generate income, which then can be used selfishly by the state's implementors.
...we're literally ready to trade off physical security against more money for the state,...
...which will probably receive low social acceptance.
DanielLC wrote:1) People may then perceive justice being done by paying money alone, which will socially translate as, "If I am ready to pay money, I can commit this crime legitimately. No further social repercussions for such crimes are needed." At least if the fines aren't high enough, this may increase readiness to commit certain crimes.
Is there anything wrong with that? If the fines are high enough, and the government spending is efficient enough, the "criminal" is doing net good. Is that really something that should be discouraged?
I have previously suggested fining animal cruelty, so as to allow people to do it anyway when it's worth while. For example, it's useful for medicinal research. Are other "crimes" fundamentally different?
If the only threat for the worst crime was a pre-determined fee, then Bill Gates could probably afford to spend weekends thrill-killing.
The result would be heightened fear and related consequences that would adversely affect society.
it might both encourage humane treatment in most cases and provide funding for a system to enforce the standards.
It sounds cruel to allow some types of experimentation
RyanCarey wrote:Here's a radical proposal:
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Thus the criminal system would be made more like the civil system, in which people sue one and other. What do you think of this proposal?
If you give people enough freedom, they will just allocate the money back to themselves in the form of tax cuts, rebates, tariffs, and various other selfish things.
Legalize polygamy.