Deflationary personal identity (aka Empty Individualism)

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Deflationary personal identity (aka Empty Individualism)

Postby Arepo on 2013-01-12T13:18:00

I often mind myself wanting to quick link a definition of my view of personal identity to link to, but the only one I know is embedded deep in David Chalmer's essay, 'The Singularity: A Philosophical Analysis'. So I'm going to cheekily extract the relevant section here and hope he doesn't mind:

David Chalmers wrote:A deflationary(sic) view of survival holds that our attempts to settle open questions about survival tacitly presuppose facts about survival that do not exist. One might say that we are inclined to believe in Edenic survival: the sort of primitive survival of a self that one might suppose we had in the Garden of Eden. Now, after the fall from Eden, and there is no Edenic survival, but we are still inclined to think as if there is.

If there were Edenic survival, then questions about survival would still be open questions even after one spells out all the physical and mental facts about persons at times. But on the deflationary view, once we accept that there is no Edenic survival, we should accept that there are no such further open questions. There are certain facts about biological, psychological, and causal continuity, and that is all there is to say.

A deflationary view is naturally combined with a sort of pluralism about survival. We stand in certain biological relations to our successors, certain causal relations, and certain psychological relations, but none of these is privileged as “the” relation of survival. All of these relations give us some reason to care about our successors, but none of them carries absolute weight.

One could put a pessimistic spin on the deflationary view by saying that we never survive from moment to moment, or from day to day. At least, we never survive in the way that we naturally think we do. But one could put an optimistic spin on the view by saying that this is our community’s form of life, and it is not so bad. One might have thought that one needed Edenic survival for life to be worth living, but life still has value without it. We still survive in various non-Edenic ways, and this is enough for the future to matter.


More succinctly, Wikipedia (in the entry on Open Individualism) defines it thus:

The view that personal identities correspond to a fixed pattern that instantaneously disappears with the passage of time
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Re: The deflationary view of personal identity

Postby Arepo on 2013-02-21T14:48:00

Two questions, since this seems to be a recurring theme in my recent discussions:

1) Can anyone confirm/deny whether this is synonymous with the concept of 'empty individualism', which I've occasionally seen mentioned, but Googling doesn't define?

2) Does anyone here actually hold a view that contradicts this one? If so what is it?

[ETA: question 1 now answered affirmatively]
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Re: The deflationary view of personal identity

Postby Rupert on 2013-02-22T04:49:00

I find your initial post interesting, but alas, I cannot answer your questions in any interesting way. I don't know what "empty individualism" is and I don't hold a view which contradicts this one.

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Re: The deflationary view of personal identity

Postby Arepo on 2013-02-23T10:17:00

Kaj Sotal just posted a slightly relevant description of how we might evolve a sense of personal identity that's so difficult to relinquish.
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Re: Deflationary personal identity (aka Empty Individualism)

Postby DanielLC on 2013-02-23T19:19:00

I think he missed an important part:

What is a sense of personal identity? How would someone who disalieves in personal identity, but values what everyone else would call their future self, be different from someone who believes in personal identity?
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