lexical utilitarianism

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lexical utilitarianism

Postby karn on 2013-05-05T16:31:00

Hi all !, i read some of your topics for some time now, and i have decided to take the first step to begin a discussion with you today.

I view a lot of things about NU, NLU, and CU, but nothing about LU (lexical utilitarianism), in fact i am not even sure that it’s the good name.

For me LU is the maximization of equity (not equality), in the utilitarian context. I base this on two mains principles:
- Pareto improvement of well-beings among beings is good, i think that all utilitarians agree with that. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_efficiency)
- It’s unjust to have the well-being of someone reduced, for increasing the well-being of a group already in a better situation that he is. (the equity principle).

This two principles lead directly to LU, then i have to deal with the unpleasant consequence of LU, the worst consequence that i can find is, express simply but informally by number: {-10000, 10000, 10000, …} < {-9999, -9999, -9999, …}
If i don’t want to accept this conclusion, the only way that i found is to have a trade ratio, but a trade ratio have the awful consequence that: ∃n, {-10000, 1, 1, … n time … } > {10000}

I prefer largely the first consequence, when i think about it, it seem to me acceptable, i can maybe developed a little more in that, but that rely mainly of the equity principle and the fact that all people will live only a "-9999" independently, then the suffering don’t really adds for create a greater sum.

karn
 
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Re: lexical utilitarianism

Postby karn on 2013-05-08T04:23:00

Elijah wrote:Suppose that groups A and B both have a very poor quality of life. A is composed of only one person whose quality of life is, say, -10; B is composed of millions of people whose quality of life is -9. Is it just to raise B's quality of life to 0 by reducing A's to -11?


Yes, that what i meant by: {-10000, 10000, 10000, …} < {-9999, -9999, -9999, …} (not exactly, but my case is worse)
I don’t like it, but i prefer this to: ∃n, {-10000, -10000, -10000, 1, 1, … n time … } > {10000, 10000, 10000, 0, 0, 0, …} for CU
Or even to: ∃n, {10000, 10000, 10000, -0.01, -0.01, … n time … } < {-10000, -10000, -10000, 0, 0, 0, …} for NU

Because i consider that the consciousnesses are independent of each other. They can’t influence, then they can’t compensate.

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Re: lexical utilitarianism

Postby karn on 2013-05-13T01:38:00

Elijah wrote:I'm sorry, but I don't follow you.


It means you don’t understand or you don’t agree ?
If you don’t understand something, i would like you tell me what, then i can clarify, i'm sorry to be hardly understandable, my English is very bad.

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